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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 22, 2009 20:00:00 GMT
From my article on eRepublik, www.erepublik.com/en/article/-1-783440/1/20Hello fellow Russian comrades, and non-communists, Today is a great day for communism, we remember Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in his 139th birthday. His teachings and contributions to human society will never be forgotten. www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti....YZOpsQD97NGTK80Hail to one of the greatest leaders of history and remember! "We want to achieve a new and better order of society: in this new and better society there must be neither rich nor poor; all will have to work. Not a handful of rich people, but all the working people must enjoy the fruits of their common labour. Machines and other improvements must serve to ease the work of all and not to enable a few to grow rich at the expense of millions and tens of millions of people. This new and better society is called socialist society." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. Best Regards, Riza Karabasan. |
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Post by chuikov on Apr 22, 2009 20:13:49 GMT
His theoretical contribution to the Communist society has played a significant role! We can finally understand how corruption may arise not to mention how a revolution can derail so awfully.
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 23, 2009 4:17:39 GMT
In my country, I am accused by some guys not celebrating the foundation of Turkish Congress but Lenin's birthday.
Oh those little fascists.
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Post by jumala on Apr 25, 2009 11:26:05 GMT
Fascists? Celebrtion of the establishment of a democratic parliament is now fascism? You are full of hatred, Karabasan.
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Post by chuikov on Apr 25, 2009 16:35:28 GMT
Elected democracy is pretty similiar to a fascist state, the only difference is that in an elected democracy the men in power are only in office for a limited time. Restrictions for these men may vary, of course.
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Post by jumala on Apr 25, 2009 21:03:38 GMT
Elected democracy is pretty similiar to a fascist state, the only difference is that in an elected democracy the men in power are only in office for a limited time. Restrictions for these men may vary, of course. A fascist state is not evil by it's definition as long as everybody is pleased with it. A fascist state is very similar to socialism, since everybody is working for a government which takes care of its citizens. Democracy is very diffrent, however. Democracy does not comment on whether or not everybody should work for the good of the many, like fascism does. Democracy allows people to choose its representatives and in the end, it's all about pleasing the majority. Of course it is not the highest imaginative state for a society, but it's the best practical one. You can't enslave the working people, because they are the one having the most votes. And one thing is for sure: it sure was a great leap forward for Turky at that time. |
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Post by chuikov on Apr 25, 2009 21:26:35 GMT
I forgot to add one thing, I never claimed fascism is representive democracy. Democracy does not equal human rights and the type of rights we associate with "democracies". For instance, democracy existed in the Soviet Union aswell, yet the human rights were not as high as in the Western world.
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 25, 2009 22:25:35 GMT
Elected democracy is pretty similiar to a fascist state, the only difference is that in an elected democracy the men in power are only in office for a limited time. Restrictions for these men may vary, of course. A fascist state is not evil by it's definition as long as everybody is pleased with it. A fascist state is very similar to socialism, since everybody is working for a government which takes care of its citizens. Democracy is very diffrent, however. Democracy does not comment on whether or not everybody should work for the good of the many, like fascism does. Democracy allows people to choose its representatives and in the end, it's all about pleasing the majority. Of course it is not the highest imaginative state for a society, but it's the best practical one. You can't enslave the working people, because they are the one having the most votes. And one thing is for sure: it sure was a great leap forward for Turky at that time. I believe that you understand Nazi Germany from a fascist state. After Allende, Chile was a militarist-fascist state but they had no connection with socialism. Which means, there's a difference between national socialism and pure fascism. Fascist states like Franco's does not have to make people work for government, even though some of them did, this is not the description of a 'fascist state'. And as you say something like about Turkey, I see that you have a very simplistic knowledge about Turkish history. If Turkey had an alliance with Russians and worked together, right now socialism would be thriving. After Atatürk's implementations, Turkey was an one-party state 'till 1945. After that a crippled democracy was ruling Turkey, and rightists sold out the country to America. Turkey carried US Jupiter-C missiles for US to threaten Russia. And this was another excellent example of democracy, which Atatürk created by ordering the assassination of communist leaders in Turkey. Besides that, last Ottoman emperor was the one who ordered Atatürk to create the congress, and he financed it. But after the foundation of republic, Atatürk and his friends claimed the victory and made public forget the emperor Vahdettin. Read more and come again. |
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Post by jumala on Apr 26, 2009 11:09:50 GMT
Riza, I suggest you take your nose out of your Turkish history books and look up some other ones too. Rome never was built in a day. Progress is never quick; the legislation of the parliament was a great step forward towards humanity, but there still is a long way to go, of course.
Your views on government types seems to be pretty messed up. Governments are never defined by one word. It is always two or more. Finland is a Semi-presidential Republic, the USA is a federal constitutional republic, Turkey is a perliamentary republic, Nazi-Germany was a single-party state and a totalitarian autocratic national socialist dictatorship. See how difficult it may get? Now that we got that cleared out of the way, fascism may be totalitarian or democratic or many other things. Fascism by itself, however, is not bad. It is very similar to socialism, because it states that everybody is working for one government that in return cares for its citizens.
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Post by Riza Karabasan on Apr 26, 2009 20:28:19 GMT
Fascism by itself, however is not bad. Yes. Just to remind you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism Fascism's objective is way different than socialism itself, and you cannot generalize those as 'very similar'. To clarify my viewpoint, I read history books in US, about their history, and as a Turkish, I read tons of different books about same issue, let's say Armenian Genocide. You have a confusion between pure fascism and pure socialism, and I agree that in practical of both, they can get similar characteristics... But as the theory, they have a little. |
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