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Post by Riza Karabasan on May 7, 2009 5:22:29 GMT
I am still annexed by the lack of action, I am widely criticized in here about that though, despite the fact that after my arrival eTurkish Socialist Party won 6 seats in congress, and tripled its votes in presidential elections... I am the inexperienced newbie who runs and pushes all the red buttons.
Whatever, I promised not to move, so I don't.
BUT!
I fear both goons, ATLANTIS and PEACE are going to try to TO eNorth Korea. So I withdraw myself from any action towards eNorth Korea, and as the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkish Socialist Party, I am going to offer to withdraw from the ideal of eNorth Korea.
I strongly believe that all socialists should unite in one country, under one flag. The colors of flag does not matter, but our ideals and our hopes does. We, as the honest players of games, are destined to lose elections to multiple accounts and cheaters. So, unification of all internationalist socialists is vital.
Therefore, I propose to The Internationale members to focus on either eSouth Korea or eThailand.
Why those two countries?
I am upset that eTurkish Socialist Party lost the elections by 17 votes, and we almost received NO international help from our comrades (I believe only Dario Aurelio, our Portuguese lad came, and Ryan couldn't come because of Indo TO to eSA). I don't want miserable failings anymore. I want to establish a great socialist country under one flag, and under the control of the workers.
eSouth Korea already has a communist party and has a very low population, can be easily taken over. eThailand already has communes and an established party with a low population, so eThailand is another good place to go.
Enough is enough for me. It is time for action. We need a victory to restore our hopes in socialism and honesty in this game.
I am opening a vote, whether you would like a movement like that or not, if yes, which country...
Heil Communism!
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Post by Anatoliovich on May 7, 2009 10:26:32 GMT
You haven't really been criticized for more than a week now. It's just that rushing into things is never good, because you don't have time to consider the negative things that could probably happen. Anyway, I say eThailand since we've been there for so long. The only way to free S. Korea is to get Japan off it's back, and I have a plan for that...
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Post by Duncomrade on May 7, 2009 13:14:44 GMT
Maybe a successful International-organised revolution will inspire other parties and the masses.
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Post by comandanta on May 7, 2009 18:42:25 GMT
The Bloque Obrero officially and strongly condemns all kind of TOs, so I have to say we wouldn't participate in something like this.
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Post by Riza Karabasan on May 7, 2009 19:00:12 GMT
We are not going to take over and rape the golds of the countries. We are just going to make it work.
I am for eThailand too.
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Post by comandanta on May 7, 2009 20:19:40 GMT
We are not going to take over and rape the golds of the countries. We are just going to make it work. I am for eThailand too. That's what I meant with "all kinds of TO". When I suggested that we could go and help you guys win in eTurkey, there was no consensus that even this should be an exception to our general "no TO" rule. Individuals of course can do as they please, but as a party we only accept voting outside your own country to avoid a TO. I'm just letting you people know...
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Post by justintyme on May 7, 2009 21:32:50 GMT
There's nothing to fear from the goons, why do you always talk like they're some monolithic group of Illuminati? The goons actually WANT to develop the country, they don't want to just steal all the gold or anything like that.
Besides, hating on the goons all the time just makes you look bad because trolling is half the fun of the game.
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Post by Riza Karabasan on May 7, 2009 22:19:53 GMT
Well it is nothing that we say goons are bad. I mean I don't say goons are bad personally. But if we keep staying separated like this and fought in our ways in our countries, we will never win.
I am going to go to eThailand probably, and I need help. We can create an example society and country.
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Post by Ne0 on May 7, 2009 23:32:54 GMT
Therefore, I propose to The Internationale members to focus on either eSouth Korea or eThailand. Sorry, TOing a country inhabited by natives would be oppressing their freedom to choose their own type of government; thus this idea of creating a Utopia does not have my support. (eNorth Korea has no natives)
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Post by Duncomrade on May 8, 2009 4:51:28 GMT
I think its important to distinguish between Take-overs and mass immigration. In my mind, a Take-over is an exploitative action carried out by "foreigners" (can anyone be called a foreigner in the free-moving society of eRepublik?) whose aim is to destroy the victim nation or rob it of its wealth.
On the other hand, eRepublik allows the free movement of any citizen to any country of their choosing. Upon reaching that nation, the citizen may freely engage in politics. That person may have the explicit, unashamed intention of obtaining the highest political positions to help that nation achieve greatness. This we have no qualms about.
Why then should we discriminate against a group of citizens who have exactly the same motive as that one well-intentioned individual? The individual immigrant hopes, as much as the group, to obtain political supremacy. Are we saying that an organised group of immigrants is qualitatively different to a single individual, even though both have exactly the same intentions?
We can take this further and imagine several separate individuals who have no knowledge of each other. They all have exactly the same ideals and the intent to move to a given nation to obtain political supremacy. They all move to the country at the same time, by coincidence, and after campaigning for a while they realise they have the same ideas so they join together and obtain government control. Should we oppose such a development? This group organised together after entering the country. Does that justify their actions as opposed to a group which met together and organised before entering the country?
We should certainly oppose any immigration which intends to exploit or cause harm to the local population As international socialists, we should not oppose benign immigration, whether by individuals or groups. However, we should oppose the immigration of people who are opposed to the workers' movement. We have Marxist theory to justify our discrimination against exploiter classes.
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Post by chuikov on May 8, 2009 20:20:54 GMT
You left out eRussia. Why is another matter. eRussia has the greatest potential for us, erevolutionaries. We have 83 000 RUB and a massive industrial complex sitting there, waiting for us to return. Why on earth go to an ecountry with no natural resources OR advantages as eRussia has?
My vote goes for eRussia
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Post by comandanta on May 9, 2009 2:47:19 GMT
You left out eRussia. Why is another matter. eRussia has the greatest potential for us, erevolutionaries. We have 83 000 RUB and a massive industrial complex sitting there, waiting for us to return. Why on earth go to an ecountry with no natural resources OR advantages as eRussia has? My vote goes for eRussia83k RUB and a massive industrial complex looks like a lot of potential...
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Post by Riza Karabasan on May 10, 2009 0:40:59 GMT
Yeah apparently I will be the party president for the next term, so I will be staying in my country...
Though we should immediately create a group of people for eGermany to take over the German Socialist Party back.
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Post by fredrickengels on May 13, 2009 1:45:54 GMT
Well I'm already over here in eSouth Korea now since I moved from the eUSA.
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Post by Osmany Ramon on May 13, 2009 2:19:37 GMT
@frederick Engels - you are following Spade and smily132, who, despite being the founders of the Socialist Freedom Party, are not socialists and intend to found a religion in South Korea. Just a heads up.
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